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Bookie Master Of Malts

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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:32 pm Post subject: Whats your prefered whisky % ABV? |
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| Whats your prefered whisky % ABV for dinking? Personally i would love to see all whisky bottled between 46% - 50% Perhaps some of you like to reduce the ABV way down to 30% or maybe lower. |
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Fergie Master Of Malts

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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| It depends on the whisky what strength is best but I would love it if all single malt whisky was bottled at 50% abv, i would be willing to pay a bit more if it was. |
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Alexppp Master Of Malts

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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:05 am Post subject: |
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Depends on lots of factors - first of all, I wouldn't like to see distilleries abolishing lower ABVs like 40% or 43% altogether, for the simple reason that if all whiskies were at least 46-50% we'd end up consuming a lot more alcohol. Despite the fact that moderate consumption of alcohol either doesn't matter or has arguable health benefits, consuming lots of alcohol is unequivocally bad, and we all like to try lots of different whiskies in one sitting!
Other than that, in terms of quality, I can't imagine any of my favourites improving with a different ABV - can't think of a better Talisker 18 than the one at 45.8%, or a better HP18 or Lagavulin 16 than their 43% bottlings. I would concede, however, that even a small jump from 40% to 43% makes some whiskies better, just by adding more body and depth. Laphroaig 10, for example, strikes me as a bit anaemic at 40% next to the Quarter Cask or anything by Lagavulin. Similarly, travel retail versions of the Balvenie Doublewood are just that little bit more creamy and delectable at 43%. |
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Crane Master Of Malts

Joined: 26 Jun 2008 Posts: 1345 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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i am always aware of my level alcohol consumption no matter what abv the whisky is which i am drinking, and i would think most single malt whisky drinkers will be more aware of ABV levels than most drinkers of blends and other spirits. Without a doubt you loose some of the flavour profile when the ABV is lowered to 40% and most SMW drinkers would agree with that i think.
When i am having a session trying lots of malts, it is small measures i am having.
In an ideal world all all single malt whisky would be bottled at 50%, non chill filtered and have no added colouring. |
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William Administrator


Joined: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 4056 Location: Scotland
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Crane wrote: | | In an ideal world all all single malt whisky would be bottled at 50%, non chill filtered and have no added colouring. | Where is this place i want to move there.  |
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Keith Master Of Malts


Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 1531 Location: Scotland
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| William wrote: | | Crane wrote: | | In an ideal world all all single malt whisky would be bottled at 50%, non chill filtered and have no added colouring. | Where is this place i want to move there.  | I'm going also
My thoughts also Bookie most malts are at there peak around 46% - 50% |
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Tom W Triple Malt Member

Joined: 06 Oct 2010 Posts: 220 Location: Dartford
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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46% is perfect - the minimum to prevent cloudiness in non-chill filtered whisky. A nice drinking strength but also a nice strength to add a bit of water to also. _________________ In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king |
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nitram Double Malt Member

Joined: 27 Jan 2011 Posts: 149 Location: Scotland
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Tom W wrote: | | 46% is perfect - the minimum to prevent cloudiness in non-chill filtered whisky. A nice drinking strength but also a nice strength to add a bit of water to also. |
Some of my favourites are around the 46% mark, so I'm tempted to agree with you. I've not sampled a lot that were much stronger, but those that I have had have needed some dilution otherwise the only finish I get is 'evaporation'. That said, exploring whisky would be a little duller if everything was the same strength, so it's all part of the fun. |
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Forbes Double Malt Member

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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| IMO there is definitely a difference in the whisky ABV being reduced by the producer and reducing it yourself. For example i have watered down the Laphroaig 10 Cask Strength until by my estimates it would have been 40% abv like the standard 10 year old bottling and the Laphroaig CS was still far superior taste wise. So i would definitely love to see more 46% - 50% bottlings especially if they are non chill filtered, i wouldnt mind paying a couplke of pound more for them. |
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Alastair Master Of Malts

Joined: 13 Nov 2006 Posts: 1735 Location: Ayrshire - Scotland
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| A excellent of example of how whisky can be improved is Burn Stewart Distillers when they stopped chill filtering and increased the ABV of there single malt whisky brands resulting in hugely improved whiskies which previously i wouldnt really go near. Their brands include Deanston, Bunnahabhain, Tobermory and Ledaig which are now all very drinkable whiskies. Others could do with learning from Burn Stewart Distillers. |
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James T Master Of Malts

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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| Alastair wrote: | | A excellent of example of how whisky can be improved is Burn Stewart Distillers when they stopped chill filtering and increased the ABV of there single malt whisky brands resulting in hugely improved whiskies which previously i wouldnt really go near. Their brands include Deanston, Bunnahabhain, Tobermory and Ledaig which are now all very drinkable whiskies. Others could do with learning from Burn Stewart Distillers. | Totally agree they made an enormous improvement especially with Ledaig and Bunna. i believe that chill filtration and lower 40% really does take away a lot of the taste profile, of course this may improve some whiskies  |
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GJLReid Single Malt Member

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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:28 am Post subject: |
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One of the terms I constantly hear on here and amongst other whisky enthuisasts is chill filtered and no added colouring. As a relative beginner, firstly Im not too sure what kind of affect this has on the whisky, and also it appears to me as I look for new whisky that most bottles that I encounter are not chillfiltered or have added colouring...yet everyone seems to state that it is common. What well known bottles are chillfiltered/ have added colouring? I assume they are poor bottles?
Regarding ABV, my strongest whisky has been Clynelish 16 (46%) which I was very happy (2nd favourite) behind the weaker strength HP12 (40%) and slightly weaker Talisker 10 (45.8%). Although admitedly all three are very close in terms of my favourite. Also, I do not add water to any whisky, at what point should I? Does it really make a big different? Also, how much would you add?
Sorry for all the newbie questions!
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Big Mac Master Of Malts

Joined: 02 Nov 2006 Posts: 2216 Location: USA - Formerly Scotland
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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:06 am Post subject: |
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No problem GJLReid, if you don't ask you wont know.
Basically chill filtering removes flavor and caramel colouring adds a artificial caramel flavor.
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Chill Filtration
Chill filtration is the process where substances in the whisky are removed before bottling. The main reason to chill filter a whisky is purely cosmetic. A non- filtered whisky that is 46% ABV or lower will go cloudy when water or ice is added and when the whisky is cooled. This is seen as undesirable by some consumers, and the distillers react by removing the offending particles from the whisky, so that this doesn't happen. The distillers want their whisky to be seen as a top quality product. Whiskies above 46% ABV do not require chill filtration, as the higher alcohol level prevents this cloudiness from occurring.
Cloudiness
Cloudiness is caused by the natural fatty acids, esters and proteins that are present in the whisky. These occur naturally during the distillation process and are also imparted from the cask during maturation. When the whisky is cooled, these fatty acids, esters and proteins clump together to give the cloudiness. A whisky that is not chill filtered is also likely to develop sediment in the bottle if stored in a cool place. During the early 20th century, it was realised that this 'fault' with the whisky could actually be used to the distiller's advantage and that if they chilled the whisky, then these elements could be removed more easily.
The process
The process of chill filtration involves dropping the temperature of the whisky to zero degrees Celsius in the case of single malts and -4 degrees in the case of blends. The temperature for blends is lower as they contain grain whiskey and these have a lower natural concentration of the fatty acids. Once chilled, the whisky is passed through a series of metallic meshes under pressure. The amount of residue collected depends on the number of filters, the pressure used and the speed with which it is done. The slower a whisky is passed through the filters at a lower pressure, then the more residue will be collected but this is also more costly. During this process, any other sediment or impurities from the cask (called 'coals') that are present will also be removed. |
Added Carmel Colouring E150a
Caramel colouring (E150a) is used to make whisky look good for the drinker; it standardizes the look of the whisky as there will naturally be a variance in colour between casks no matter how many casks goes into each batch of whisky they bottle. When someone goes to a shop and buys a bottle of whisky they expect it to be the same colour as the last bottle they bought. Basically they add colouring for product consistency.
Whisky companies claim that E150a caramel colouring is odourless and does not effect the nose and taste of the whisky, this is true in many malt whisky bottlings, you simply cannot detect this artificial caramel as they use so little of it but some whisky producers are a bit heavy handed with the colouring and this adds an artificial caramel taste and aroma to the whisky which single malt whisky drinkers hate.
Colouring is fine in cheaper blends but not in single malts which are all about the taste and aroma of the whisky. Single malt drinkers are more educated to the fact that there will be a variance between batches of single malt whisky so there really is no need to add colouring to it.
Unfortunately the majority of malt whiskies will have some caramel colouring and will be chill filtered. Basically if it doesn't say non chill filtered on the bottle then assume it has been chill filtered and if it doesn't say no added colouring then assume it has added colouring.
Cheers
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Alexppp Master Of Malts

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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:34 am Post subject: |
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GJLReid: As Mac said most of the 'big' whiskies have added colouring and chill-filtration, but honestly I think the colouring doesn't matter very much in most cases. Apart from cases where distillers are heavy-handed with it, I'm convinced it's undetectable on the palate. The mind can play strange tricks, so when people know that a certain whisky has had caramel colouring, they might 'detect' something that's not necessarily there. I really don't think you can detect it in Talisker, for example (all Taliskers have it), or Lagavulin.
I would, however, like to see natural colouring in all whiskies just as a matter of aesthetics - because in most cases right now, the colour of a whisky tells you absolutely nothing other than the amount of caramel added! Off the top of my head, Highland Park doesn't add caramel, and neither do Macallan and Glengoyne, out of the mainstream distilleries I can think of, and there are others of course.
Chill-filtration is also an aesthetic decision but this time it does undeniably play a part in both flavour and texture. However, it doesn't mean that un-chill filtered whiskies are automatically better - a good whisky is a good whisky. For example, I still haven't had an un-chill filtered whisky better than Talisker 18 or Highland Park 18. (both chill-filtered) |
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Carson Master Of Malts

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Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| William wrote: | | Crane wrote: | | In an ideal world all all single malt whisky would be bottled at 50%, non chill filtered and have no added colouring. | Where is this place i want to move there.  | I think its the world of independent single malt whisky bottlers  |
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