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5-12-1908
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 Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:32 pm Post subject: Single malts that flatter to deceive. |
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I have to say, my son was home last night and wanted a drink; Obviously Im not daft so my good ones were off limits on pain of castration.
But to be honest I have 4 bottles that Ive tried before and Famous Grouse is much better. I wont say which one I allowed him to "share" just yet.
Ok...it was a Glen Moray. Not the best, and very mild. It has its place and its price reflects it so I feel value wise it never really let me down.
Do you have any single malts that you feel use the "single malt" to add a few quid to the price that just isnt justified? |
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Mark
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:24 am Post subject: Re: Single malts that flatter to deceive. |
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| 5of12in1908 wrote: | | Ok...it was a Glen Moray. Not the best, and very mild. It has its place and its price reflects it so I feel value wise it never really let me down. |
I agree is not the greatest but for the price it is ok and defintely beats most of the standard entry level blends. I assume you are talking about the no age statement Glen Moray Classic, i would guess it is around 8 years old. Have you tried the 12 year old, i think it is a pretty good dram, big improvement over the classic but the 16 year old was a bit of a let down still very drinkable but i would say the Glen Moray 12 would be my choice from the range. |
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Mark
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:25 am Post subject: Re: Single malts that flatter to deceive. |
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| 5of12in1908 wrote: | | Do you have any single malts that you feel use the "single malt" to add a few quid to the price that just isnt justified? |
Not really sure what you mean here. |
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Samson
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:35 am Post subject: |
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| I thought we would have seen some new bottlings from Glen Moray when Glenmorangie/LVMH sold it but surprisingly nothing yet, unless i have missed something. I thought they would have put out some cask finishes like most distilleries do now. |
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5-12-1908
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: Single malts that flatter to deceive. |
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| Mark wrote: | | 5of12in1908 wrote: | | Do you have any single malts that you feel use the "single malt" to add a few quid to the price that just isnt justified? |
Not really sure what you mean here. |
A rather poor Single malt..Quality wise, but the price doesnt reflect its "value" . Using the single Malt claim, or non chill filtered claim to boost the price, when in reality its a poor whisky for the price.
As I say, the Gen Moray is nothing special, but as its only the price of a cheap blended I dont mind so much. |
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DavidUK
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The Glen Moray 15yo Portwood finish is an excellent whisky and I think it Jim Murray marked it 95 points in his book.
The Classic is good value and not at all bad, certainly much better than blends such as Grouse. |
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Tom W
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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glen moray claims to be a single malt because it is a single malt? just not as good or established as many other drams!
blends aren't all worse than single malts  just the really cheap stuff gives it all a bad name!
Royal Lochnagar 12, Ardmore Traditional Cask, Dalmore 15, Cardhu 12 are malts that have really flattered to decieve. Mainly caramel!
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McKay
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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I quite enjoy the Glen Moray classic but i am probably influenced by the fact that i picked up 8 bottles for £8 each just over a year ago when Tesco had them reduced to clear. For this price i cant complain. The 12 year old is worth a try.
Wasnt the port wood finish a limited release a couple of years ago, not sure if you can still get it. |
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Alexppp
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Tom W wrote: | glen moray claims to be a single malt because it is a single malt? just not as good or established as many other drams!
blends aren't all worse than single malts just the really cheap stuff gives it all a bad name!
Royal Lochnagar 12, Ardmore Traditional Cask, Dalmore 15, Cardhu 12 are malts that have really flattered to decieve. Mainly caramel! |
The question has probably been misunderstood, I think he was just saying that putting 'single malt' on the label (as they should, since as you say they are indeed single malts!) gives the general public the impression that they're premium or exclusive products. And as a result, some distilleries perhaps hike the price up too much given how it relates to quality.
As for the main question, I don't think I could nominate a distillery (haven't had the pleasure of the much-maligned Dalmore 15!). There are some malts that I've liked less than others in my limited experience but others like them more so who am I to judge! |
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Grant M
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Samson wrote: | | I thought we would have seen some new bottlings from Glen Moray when Glenmorangie/LVMH sold it but surprisingly nothing yet, unless i have missed something. I thought they would have put out some cask finishes like most distilleries do now. |
Samson as well as the Glen Moray 15 Portwood finish DavidUK mentions they also released a Glen Moray 1995 single sherry cask which was apparently absolutely awful, Jim Murray scored that "56" which is one of the lowest scores i have seen in his whisky bible, he commented in his bible that "This is quite frankly absolutely rank whisky" 
So maybe Mr Murray has put Glen Moray off venturing into limited release wine cask finishes. |
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Carson
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| I was not at all impressed at all with Royal Lochnagar, i have only had the 12 year old, other expressions may be good but i wouldnt spend the money on them as i thought the 12 was so poor. Too much caramel for me, whether it is natural or added, who knows but just not for me. |
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DavidUK
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| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| McKay wrote: | I quite enjoy the Glen Moray classic but i am probably influenced by the fact that i picked up 8 bottles for £8 each just over a year ago when Tesco had them reduced to clear. For this price i cant complain. The 12 year old is worth a try.
Wasnt the port wood finish a limited release a couple of years ago, not sure if you can still get it. |
The Portwood finish was only for sale from the distillery, although you could purchase from their online shop. The outrun was just 725 bottles so may well have all gone now. The point I was making was that Glen Moray produce some exceptional whisky right up there with the best. People assume that because the Classic is cheap it must be poor quality. It isn't!! It's a perfectly agreeable dram and good value for money.
The reason Glen Moray can offer their entry level malt cheaper than other distilleries is that they have enormous malt barns which means they are able to bulk buy the barley they require when prices are low. |
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Innes
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| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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I agree the Glen Moray 12 is a decent whisky, i wish it was more readily available on the high street but for value for money the classic is fine IMO, a pleasant easy to drink single malt, i dont drink loads of it but usually have a bottle on the go.
Like you say Samson i thought we may have seen some new expressions added to the Glen Moray core range, hopefully they are still to come and hopefully not selected by the person who selected the Glen Moray 1995 single sherry cask that Grant mentions 
I am not impressed with Royal Lochnagar 12 or Dalmore in general, these are a couple of single malts which i wouldnt buy again, not to my taste. |
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5-12-1908
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| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| DavidUK wrote: | The point I was making was that Glen Moray produce some exceptional whisky right up there with the best. People assume that because the Classic is cheap it must be poor quality. It isn't!! It's a perfectly agreeable dram and good value for money.
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Perhaps you were missing the point I was making.
I feel it to be poor, but couldn't put it into the category of flattering to deceive as such because they are hardly charging extra for it being single malt.
I have bought bottles for £15 or £16 on special (for a lodge charity that I sometimes win and taste....I just donate that one back now)
As I say......Grouse can be bought for that price. Not a dig at Glen Moray.....I havent tried their other stuff....perhaps I now will (I dont really like Glenmorangie ) But thats taste.
I was meaning have you ever had a whisky that tasted like dishwater and paid a premium for having "Single Malt" on the label....Or chill filtered for that matter. |
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Mark
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| Drumguish from the Speyside distillery, I didnt exactly pay a premium for it but it was still way too much. |
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