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 Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:06 pm Post subject: Objective Whisky Analysis |
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Hi All,
Wanting to add to my still limited collection of whiskies (and having financial constraints) I conducted a little analysis of the Malt Maniac & LA Whiskey Soc tastings databases to identify the Best Low-Cost Whisky Available.
This is by no means a sophisticated and holistic analysis but I thought I'd be a shame if I just kept it to myself.
Not quite sure how to upload it (it's in pdf format), I've put it here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/3504190867/Whisky_Ratings_Analysis.pdf
Comments/suggestions welcome... (and sorry if this is posted in the wrong place) |
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Andy M
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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Welcome to the forum mksb_profile
Thanks for your analysis, you have obviously put a lot of work into it. Just had a quick look, will have a closer look later when i have more time (when i am not at work). I wouldnt argue with the top 3 results under £50 - Laphroaig Quarter Cask, Glendronach 15yo & Aberlour A'Bunadh or under £75 - Ardbeg Uigeadail, Ardbeg Corryvreckan & Glendronach 15yo |
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Quaich1
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: Objective Whisky Analysis |
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| mksb_profile wrote: | Hi All,
Wanting to add to my still limited collection of whiskies (and having financial constraints) I conducted a little analysis of the Malt Maniac & LA Whiskey Soc tastings databases to identify the Best Low-Cost Whisky Available.
This is by no means a sophisticated and holistic analysis but I thought I'd be a shame if I just kept it to myself.
Not quite sure how to upload it (it's in pdf format), I've put it here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/3504190867/Whisky_Ratings_Analysis.pdf
Comments/suggestions welcome... (and sorry if this is posted in the wrong place) |
When I go to the link you provide, I get a page that is selling a service and wants one to download files.......confusing. I can't locate the analysis you are referring to.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry for confusion - there should be a green download button under a moving green arrow in the centre/right of the page. The pdf requires downloading as I was unable to find a way I could upload it for direct viewing. No need to pay or adhere to the site. |
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Quaich1
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| mksb_profile wrote: | | Sorry for confusion - there should be a green download button under a moving green arrow in the centre/right of the page. The pdf requires downloading as I was unable to find a way I could upload it for direct viewing. No need to pay or adhere to the site. |
Thanks, I got the analysis. Interestingly enough, the price profile for these very same single malt scotch bottles is very different here in Ontario, Canada. For example Lagavulin 12 or 16 is well over 100. dollars Canadian. Ardbeg 10 is also 100.00 Can. which here is considered a significant amount of money for the average Joe. Some of the most economical single malt scotches here are Laphroaig Quarter Cask, Glenmorangie Original, Bowmore 12, Aberlour 10, the whole McClelland series and of course the 12 year Glenlivet and Glenfiddich. Independent distiller bottles here in Ontario often go for twice the price as compared to Europe and there is a really big jump here for age increments and the range of offerings in this category has nowhere near the breadth or depth that Europe has, particularly Scotland or England. For example the Macallan 18 is over 250. Canadian or 162 pounds equivalent. However, things are improving and the LCBO is bringing in some rarer and impressive bottles both DB and independents. However, price is still a huge issue here.That's my 2 cents worth.
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bifter
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| Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Great work! Will pore over this in greater detail at some point. Can't argue with most of the results though. I reckon BNJ might have performed strongly if it was included.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, I'd imagine BNJ would have performed very well, especially at value per cost given its low cost. Thank you for the comments. |
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albo
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:00 am Post subject: |
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| I can't get this downloaded, any chance we can get a summary of the top 10 or something cut and pasted into here? |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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| albo wrote: | | I can't get this downloaded, any chance we can get a summary of the top 10 or something cut and pasted into here? |
Hi there, in light of difficulties downloading the pdf I've attached the key results.
Briefly, the analysis considered 200 commonly available whiskies under £75, and used a polynomial relationship (Figure 1) between Malt Maniac scores and prices from The Whisky Exchange to determine the highest scoring (Table 2) and best value (Table 3) whiskies.
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albo
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Nice work, I tried to do something similar to this a while ago with just a small handful of whisky, which took me long enough hats off to you for seeing this through. Interesting and informative.
I'd be very interested if you could factor in a number of different whicky scores into the equasion, i.e Jim Murrays scores etc, that way you get a better balance of scores, not just from one place. It would make it more meaningful I think, though not sure if you could be bothered putting in that much effort. I for one would appriciate it though 
The other worthwhile consideration may be to factor in alcohol content in the equasion, it would change the land scape thats for sure, though I don't know if ABV should be a consideration or not.
Still, I'm impressed with what you have done. And for the record I've tried 12 of those |
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| albo wrote: | | I'd be very interested if you could factor in a number of different whicky scores into the equasion, i.e Jim Murrays scores etc, that way you get a better balance of scores, not just from one place. |
I did consider including other sources such as JM and did indeed include those of the LA Whiskey Society. Possible due to lower votes per bottle than the Whisky Monitor the top 25s were little affected although the blends did drop a few positions. I'd imagine inclusion of JM's ratings would further promote certain malts such as Ardbeg but would have to give it greater consideration.
| albo wrote: | | The other worthwhile consideration may be to factor in alcohol content in the equasion, it would change the land scape thats for sure, though I don't know if ABV should be a consideration or not. |
I've seen it considered before, but in my opinion the AbV should affect the scores directly, and therefore shouldn't warrant further acknowledgement.
In case this helps, I've pasted a more direct link to the file below:
http://rs790p11.rapidshare.com/cgi-bin/rsapi.cgi?sub=download&fileid=3504190867&filename=Whisky_Ratings_Analysis.pdf
Happy dramming! |
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albo
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Ive managed to get to the direct document now.
Can I ask was this just done because you wanted to, or was it a project or assignment of some sort?
I know what you mean about the abv, though I'm of the opinion that the higher the abv the better, cask strength alowes you to control the amount of water that goes into your whisky and gives the added benifit of making the whisky more like juice that you add water to rather than fresh juice  |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| albo wrote: | | Can I ask was this just done because you wanted to, or was it a project or assignment of some sort? |
Haha, no - no assignment - just an overzealous desire to get an answer to my question. Whichever top ten list I look at, there's always at least one whisky that makes you frown. I simply wanted to know whether that was the case with pooled opinions. |
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albo
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| mksb_profile wrote: | | albo wrote: | | Can I ask was this just done because you wanted to, or was it a project or assignment of some sort? |
Haha, no - no assignment - just an overzealous desire to get an answer to my question. Whichever top ten list I look at, there's always at least one whisky that makes you frown. I simply wanted to know whether that was the case with pooled opinions. |
And, in your opinion, is it still the case? Do you frown on one of the top 10?
What I found from it, was how obvious the top 5 were at least, possibly a shock to see Glendronach in there. However, the biggest unexpected for me in the top 10 is the Glencadam which I think I'll now have to look out. |
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Mark
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I wouldnt have guessed Glencadam would be in the top 5, a decent whisky but i personally would rate it that highly but perhaps i need to take another look at it |
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