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Alastair Master Of Malts

Joined: 13 Nov 2006 Posts: 1735 Location: Ayrshire - Scotland
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:11 am Post subject: Scotched Earth BBC Scotland Investigates |
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There was a good BBC Scotland Investigates program on BBC 1 tonight called Scotched Earth
| Quote: | | Whisky is a global success story. Sold in over two hundred countries, the business is worth more than four billion pounds every year. Ten thousand people owe their living to it. Douglas Fraser set out to discover how whisky became so successful: as a part of our culture, as a symbol of our national identity, and as a vital part of our economy. He asks whether Scotland is getting enough back from whisky, and hears how we could cash in more on this amazing business success. |
If you missed it it should be on the BBCi player soon
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01ps98y/BBC_Scotland_Investigates_2013_Scotched_Earth/
Not sure if this will work for those of you outside the UK. |
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Quaich1 Master Of Malts


Joined: 21 Apr 2012 Posts: 5749 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:19 am Post subject: Re: Scotched Earth BBC Scotland Investigates |
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| Alastair wrote: | There was a good BBC Scotland Investigates program on BBC 1 tonight called Scotched Earth
| Quote: | | Whisky is a global success story. Sold in over two hundred countries, the business is worth more than four billion pounds every year. Ten thousand people owe their living to it. Douglas Fraser set out to discover how whisky became so successful: as a part of our culture, as a symbol of our national identity, and as a vital part of our economy. He asks whether Scotland is getting enough back from whisky, and hears how we could cash in more on this amazing business success. |
If you missed it it should be on the BBCi player soon
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01ps98y/BBC_Scotland_Investigates_2013_Scotched_Earth/
Not sure if this will work for those of you outside the UK. |
Sounds like a great video. I couldn't access it tonight but the site mentioned that it may take a while until it is available if it was newly recorded. _________________ "Always carry a large flagon of whisky in case of snakebite and furthermore always carry a small snake."
W.C. Fields (1880-1946) |
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William Administrator


Joined: 10 Apr 2006 Posts: 4056 Location: Scotland
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:38 am Post subject: |
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I recorded it to watch later.
Not sure if you will be able to watch it Murray, i believe the BBC only let people located in the UK watch there programs online. _________________ There's no bad whisky. Just good whisky and better whisky. |
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Quaich1 Master Of Malts


Joined: 21 Apr 2012 Posts: 5749 Location: Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:56 am Post subject: |
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| William wrote: | I recorded it to watch later.
Not sure if you will be able to watch it Murray, i believe the BBC only let people located in the UK watch there programs online. |
Hi William, you're right. I checked with the site. Thanks. _________________ "Always carry a large flagon of whisky in case of snakebite and furthermore always carry a small snake."
W.C. Fields (1880-1946) |
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bifter Master Of Malts

Joined: 10 Apr 2012 Posts: 1403 Location: East Lothian
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:45 am Post subject: |
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Can't say I was impressed. Going after companies that avoid corporation tax is one thing, export tariffs are another but spirits are already disproportionately expensive in the UK due to duty and VAT in my view. You can often pick up whisky cheaper in other countries.
Also as one of the interviewees states, taking a greater cut from an industry just because it has been successful is not necessarily the best way to promote Scotland as a place to do business. Once a precedent were established it could be used in other areas. The proposed 'bed tax' on Edinburgh hoteliers comes to mind. _________________ "Whisky is liquid sunshine."
[George Bernard Shaw] |
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rlemkin Single Malt Member

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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:49 am Post subject: |
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| bifter wrote: | Can't say I was impressed. Going after companies that avoid corporation tax is one thing, export tariffs are another but spirits are already disproportionately expensive in the UK due to duty and VAT in my view. You can often pick up whisky cheaper in other countries.
Also as one of the interviewees states, taking a greater cut from an industry just because it has been successful is not necessarily the best way to promote Scotland as a place to do business. Once a precedent were established it could be used in other areas. The proposed 'bed tax' on Edinburgh hoteliers comes to mind. |
I think there is a point, with corp tax avoidance, automation etc. how much does Scotland gain from big distilleries expanding?
(In Edinburgh it's not the hotels that bring people in, my party proposed the bed tax and I still think it's a damn good idea, plenty of other cities have one.) |
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bifter Master Of Malts

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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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| rlemkin wrote: | | bifter wrote: | Can't say I was impressed. Going after companies that avoid corporation tax is one thing, export tariffs are another but spirits are already disproportionately expensive in the UK due to duty and VAT in my view. You can often pick up whisky cheaper in other countries.
Also as one of the interviewees states, taking a greater cut from an industry just because it has been successful is not necessarily the best way to promote Scotland as a place to do business. Once a precedent were established it could be used in other areas. The proposed 'bed tax' on Edinburgh hoteliers comes to mind. |
I think there is a point, with corp tax avoidance, automation etc. how much does Scotland gain from big distilleries expanding?
(In Edinburgh it's not the hotels that bring people in, my party proposed the bed tax and I still think it's a damn good idea, plenty of other cities have one.) |
Don't want to get too far off-topic but those hoteliers may say that they already pay their business rates (and they may have an issue with quality of service they receive in return!). Anyway, once you cross that Rubicon who's next, bars and restaurants? These things can be the thin end of a wedge. Likewise a tax on every bottle of whisky sold perhaps isn't the best way of addressing deficiencies in the corporate tax system. _________________ "Whisky is liquid sunshine."
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Kenny M Master Of Malts

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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting that Scotch single malt whisky represents less than 10% of volume sold but nearly 20% of value sold.
Also interesting that Diageo believe they may need to build 2 more distilleries the size of Roseisle to meet demand within the next 5 years.
If there are companies avoiding corp tax they should be looked at but i dont think a production tax is fare at all. |
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Alastair Master Of Malts

Joined: 13 Nov 2006 Posts: 1735 Location: Ayrshire - Scotland
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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I guess the program did let people know the truth about what Scotland actually makes from whisky, i sometimes think people are given the impression that Scotland gains a lot more from whisky than it does get, whereas it is the big companies who own and run the distilleries who gain from its success, and rightly so.
With the referendum in Scotland approaching people should be made aware of facts like this. Yes Scotch whisky contributes a lot to the economy but not the significant amount some may believe. |
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albo Master Of Malts

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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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This is an interesting debate.
I haven't seen the programe so this may be wildly off the mark, but I would imagine Scotland gains plentifully from the fact that whisky is produced here, in tourisum and what not, not just on the sale of bottles.
However, it is probably assumed, incorrectly, that Scotland gains much more from whisky than the reality, but that's no different with exported goods round the globe. I would imagine Apple (and thus persumably America or where ever they pay corporation tax) make are more far from the sale of an ipod than Tiwan does in producing it. The simple fact is, the high the cost of the item to the exported country, the less they are going to buy. Everyone still wants to make their cut, the consumer picks up the real cost at the end of the day, which will undoubtably more than the initial hike. In the long run it could have a detrimental effect. |
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Calder Master Of Malts

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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Not watched it all yet, will watch the the rest when i am not at work.
An interesting figure is that over the past 10 years the value of whisky exports has doubled but the volume of whisky exports is only up a third. Meaning a big increase in profits but not an increase in jobs. |
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Mark Master Of Malts

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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Cheers for the link Alastair, i forgot this was on last night, i will watch it later tonight |
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albo Master Of Malts

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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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I ended up watching this the other night on catch up thingy.
Interesting enough view on things, it makes one wonder what would happen should Scotland gain independance. |
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