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mzporto
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 Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:38 pm Post subject: Macallan Over 25 |
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Sirs,
I've just acquired a bottle of Macallan Over 25 Anniversary Malt, bottled 1998, distilled in 1972 from a reputable merchant around here, and was wondering if I've paid too much or not.
The bottle was priced at 2.900 BRL, and after some small talk, I bought it for 2.500 which is around 700 pounds. I'm not planning on opening it, rather than keeping in collection for some time, but, anyway, was that a fair deal?
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Quaich1
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: Macallan Over 25 |
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| mzporto wrote: | Sirs,
I've just acquired a bottle of Macallan Over 25 Anniversary Malt, bottled 1998, distilled in 1972 from a reputable merchant around here, and was wondering if I've paid too much or not.
The bottle was priced at 2.900 BRL, and after some small talk, I bought it for 2.500 which is around 700 pounds. I'm not planning on opening it, rather than keeping in collection for some time, but, anyway, was that a fair deal?
regards
Mauricio |
It's an expensive expression any way you look at it. One sold recently at McTear's Auctioneers in the summer for 820 pounds. Another went at Christie's auction house for 575 pounds way back in 2011. Obviously the price is going up. I would say you got a pretty good deal. Congratulations on your purchase!
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Keith
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| Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Mauricio, here in the UK you would expect to pay around £1200 from a specialist whisky shop for a bottle of The Macallan 25 Year Old Anniversary Malt at auction or in a private sale you would expect to pay at least £700 so i agree with Quaich1 it sounds like you got a very fair deal. |
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Big Mac
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| Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:36 am Post subject: |
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| I would say that was a fair price you paid Mauricio and if you ever decide to open it you wont be disappointed, an outstanding expression of the Macallan |
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Diademo
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| Mauricio, did you buy it in Brazil? |
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albo
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Seems like you paid a fair price to me. I don't know if I could pay that much for a bottle and if I had, I dont know if I could open it.  |
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mzporto
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| Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Diademo wrote: | | Mauricio, did you buy it in Brazil? |
Diademo, yes. But I bought it from a non specialized merchant. That is, it sells more than whisky. Actually, anything rare and collectable. Are you from here too?
| albo wrote: | | Seems like you paid a fair price to me. I don't know if I could pay that much for a bottle and if I had, I dont know if I could open it. |
It is actually the second most expensive bottle I have. The first is the Chivas Stone of Destiny, which, was actually a gift. I bought the Macallan more because it sounded like a good investment, and a good story to tell. And no way I'm going to open it. I'm pretty satisfied with a Glenfiddich, or a Glenmorangie Signet for fancy occasions. |
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Diademo
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| mzporto wrote: | | Diademo wrote: | | Mauricio, did you buy it in Brazil? |
Diademo, yes. But I bought it from a non specialized merchant. That is, it sells more than whisky. Actually, anything rare and collectable. Are you from here too? |
I'm moving to Brazil where I will stay probably 3-4 years. From whisky merchants in UK and continental Europe I know that they have problems with exports to Brazil.
Can you tell me more about availability of Scotch in Brazil or recommend good shops in Sao Paulo. |
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albo
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| Unless the whisky bubble bursts in a big way I think you'll have a good investment with this one |
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mzporto
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| Diademo wrote: | | mzporto wrote: | | Diademo wrote: | | Mauricio, did you buy it in Brazil? |
Diademo, yes. But I bought it from a non specialized merchant. That is, it sells more than whisky. Actually, anything rare and collectable. Are you from here too? |
I'm moving to Brazil where I will stay probably 3-4 years. From whisky merchants in UK and continental Europe I know that they have problems with exports to Brazil.
Can you tell me more about availability of Scotch in Brazil or recommend good shops in Sao Paulo. |
Great! Are you looking foward to it, or... not really? Do you work in the whisky business?
The whisky market in Brazil is very insipient, but is growing pretty fast. Four years ago it would be virtually impossible to find anything more than a Glenfiddich 12YO or Glenlivet on the shelves, even on specialized liquor stores. Today, we have a wider variety, but nothing compared to the united kingdom or even other countries of the Latin America, such as Uruguay.
Brazilian law prohibits liquor to enter the country without a procedure where ANVISA (thats our Agriculture and Health Comittee) tests the liquor for presence of substances such as methanol (is that the correct translation) and other harmful stuff. The procedure takes a long time and is not cheap, and every single variety must be tested. That means, i.e., Glenmorangie Nectar D'Or was approved and sold, but limited editions, such as Glenmorangie Astar, which are not profitable in volume, are not sold, because the procedure makes it unworthy.
This leads to a pretty funny market, If I can define it that way: we have small niche distilleries, such as Glenglassglaugh and Benromach selling their whisky here, but we do not have Lagavulin for instance, because Diageo already guarantees its profit and market share by selling Jhonny Walker, and wont bother to go through all the procedure for Lagavulin!
There are SOME good liquor stores here. In São paulo, we have Rei dos Whiskies (King of Whisky), which is a pretty decent store and Empório Frei Caneca. There are also good online stores.
As I stated, if you are a fan of the higher end varieties, you will have a hard time finding whisky here. But if you just like a good and honest single malt, such as Ardbeg 10, Highland Park 12, Jura 12 etc you will have no problem. Just don't expect to find any Diageo malts (Talisker, Lagavulin etc), neither the euromillion stuff (Glenmorangie Signet-wise).
Here's an investment plan for you: buy two large bags, fill it with lagavulin bottles and bring them to be sold here. I once saw a lady selling Laga 16 for 450 BRL (almost 130 pounds!!).  hahah |
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Diademo
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| mzporto wrote: | | Diademo wrote: | | mzporto wrote: | | Diademo wrote: | | Mauricio, did you buy it in Brazil? |
Diademo, yes. But I bought it from a non specialized merchant. That is, it sells more than whisky. Actually, anything rare and collectable. Are you from here too? |
I'm moving to Brazil where I will stay probably 3-4 years. From whisky merchants in UK and continental Europe I know that they have problems with exports to Brazil.
Can you tell me more about availability of Scotch in Brazil or recommend good shops in Sao Paulo. |
Great! Are you looking foward to it, or... not really? Do you work in the whisky business?
The whisky market in Brazil is very insipient, but is growing pretty fast. Four years ago it would be virtually impossible to find anything more than a Glenfiddich 12YO or Glenlivet on the shelves, even on specialized liquor stores. Today, we have a wider variety, but nothing compared to the united kingdom or even other countries of the Latin America, such as Uruguay.
Brazilian law prohibits liquor to enter the country without a procedure where ANVISA (thats our Agriculture and Health Comittee) tests the liquor for presence of substances such as methanol (is that the correct translation) and other harmful stuff. The procedure takes a long time and is not cheap, and every single variety must be tested. That means, i.e., Glenmorangie Nectar D'Or was approved and sold, but limited editions, such as Glenmorangie Astar, which are not profitable in volume, are not sold, because the procedure makes it unworthy.
This leads to a pretty funny market, If I can define it that way: we have small niche distilleries, such as Glenglassglaugh and Benromach selling their whisky here, but we do not have Lagavulin for instance, because Diageo already guarantees its profit and market share by selling Jhonny Walker, and wont bother to go through all the procedure for Lagavulin!
There are SOME good liquor stores here. In São paulo, we have Rei dos Whiskies (King of Whisky), which is a pretty decent store and Empório Frei Caneca. There are also good online stores.
As I stated, if you are a fan of the higher end varieties, you will have a hard time finding whisky here. But if you just like a good and honest single malt, such as Ardbeg 10, Highland Park 12, Jura 12 etc you will have no problem. Just don't expect to find any Diageo malts (Talisker, Lagavulin etc), neither the euromillion stuff (Glenmorangie Signet-wise).
Here's an investment plan for you: buy two large bags, fill it with lagavulin bottles and bring them to be sold here. I once saw a lady selling Laga 16 for 450 BRL (almost 130 pounds!!). hahah |
Thank you for all info Mauricio. Actually I'm looking forward living in Sao Paulo. My main concern is getting interesting (not mass produced) single malts to Brazil. I'm aware of import restrictions and stiff regulations for liquor, that's why I'm trying to find other options for getting new special/limited releases over the big pond. For my regular stuff I have no problems - all bottles are coming with me.
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