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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:40 pm    Post subject: Corks and Single Malt Scotch: What's the whole picture! Reply with quote

I was reviewing the history of corks and why they are the perfect item to top off a whisky bottle i.e., whisky bottle closure:

Lightness: cork is very light in weight and low in density.
Impermeability: cork is very resistant to moisture penetration. (It's used in life jackets!)
Compressibility: cork can be compressed to half its dimension with no loss of its flexibility. And it can be compressed in diameter without expanding its length.
Flexibility: when removed from compression, cork will recover about 85% of its initial volume immediately and more than 98% after 24 hours.
Adherence: the slicing of the surface cells in forming a cork stopper produces an extraordinary cupping effect. Millions of cells are opened and function as suction cups. This provides an exceptional power of adhesion to wet, smooth surfaces.
Temperature and age stability: cork retains its properties at both high and low extremes of temperature and usually lasts 20 years without deterioration.
Cork is the only material known that compensates for small imperfections in glass.
Cork is biodegradable.

However, some questions remain. I know some of the best quality cork trees come from Portugal. Where do the corks come from that are used for Scottish single malts? Are they produced by distilleries themselves in Scotland or are they imported? We are talking about immense amounts of corks. How many different sizes of corks are there?
Do distilleries use different qualities of corks or are they standardized? I am sure there are even more questions about corks.


Thoughts, information, opinions welcome.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are different opinions on using corks in whisky industry. I like them from the aesthetic point of view, same as with the wine.

: and some of the worst corks are coming from Portugal as well. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oakster wrote:
Corking post.... Razz


If you are referring to my post using "corking" as an adjective then you are expressing it in terms of being:

"A-OK, A1, awesome, bang-up, banner, beautiful, blue-chip, blue-ribbon, boffo".

Thanks for the compliment.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe most corks used in Scotch whisky these day are synthetic corks rather than natural corks.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was surprised that my recently acquired bottle of Hakushu 12 came with a screw top instead of a cork. As far as I know a good screw cap will always be better than cork, or not?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting facts. Thank you.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alexppp wrote:
I was surprised that my recently acquired bottle of Hakushu 12 came with a screw top instead of a cork. As far as I know a good screw cap will always be better than cork, or not?


All the whiskies I've had from Nikka and Suntory have had those plastic screw caps. Probably the best closure you can get from a technical point of view.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quaich1 wrote:
Oakster wrote:
Corking post.... Razz


If you are referring to my post using "corking" as an adjective then you are expressing it in terms of being:

"A-OK, A1, awesome, bang-up, banner, beautiful, blue-chip, blue-ribbon, boffo".

Thanks for the compliment.
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Indeed it was :D

As for my view of corks in whisky, being an absolute novice, is that a cork seems more luxurious than a screw top. The sound of it squeaking its way out of the bottle with that satisfying pop that releases a waft of the whisky within to tease you prior to tasting is all part of the experience. One that I miss when opening a screw top.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

opelfruit wrote:
Alexppp wrote:
I was surprised that my recently acquired bottle of Hakushu 12 came with a screw top instead of a cork. As far as I know a good screw cap will always be better than cork, or not?


All the whiskies I've had from Nikka and Suntory have had those plastic screw caps. Probably the best closure you can get from a technical point of view.


Nikka Pure Malts have those very shallow corks...I often wonder if you get any loss through them as there's very little cork surface area around the neck of the bottle.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oakster wrote:
Quaich1 wrote:
Oakster wrote:
Corking post.... Razz


If you are referring to my post using "corking" as an adjective then you are expressing it in terms of being:

"A-OK, A1, awesome, bang-up, banner, beautiful, blue-chip, blue-ribbon, boffo".

Thanks for the compliment.
Cool Cool Cool Cool


Indeed it was :D

As for my view of corks in whisky, being an absolute novice, is that a cork seems more luxurious than a screw top. The sound of it squeaking its way out of the bottle with that satisfying pop that releases a waft of the whisky within to tease you prior to tasting is all part of the experience. One that I miss when opening a screw top.


Tell you what I like - the weight of the foil around the cork and bottle on a new bottle. It doesn't always match what's inside, but I always associate a heavier foil with better quality somewhere in my head Smile (and then of course there's the A'bunadh that's sealed with wax Cool )
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IndianaBlues wrote:
Oakster wrote:
Quaich1 wrote:
Oakster wrote:
Corking post.... Razz


If you are referring to my post using "corking" as an adjective then you are expressing it in terms of being:

"A-OK, A1, awesome, bang-up, banner, beautiful, blue-chip, blue-ribbon, boffo".

Thanks for the compliment.
Cool Cool Cool Cool


Indeed it was :D

As for my view of corks in whisky, being an absolute novice, is that a cork seems more luxurious than a screw top. The sound of it squeaking its way out of the bottle with that satisfying pop that releases a waft of the whisky within to tease you prior to tasting is all part of the experience. One that I miss when opening a screw top.


Tell you what I like - the weight of the foil around the cork and bottle on a new bottle. It doesn't always match what's inside, but I always associate a heavier foil with better quality somewhere in my head Smile (and then of course there's the A'bunadh that's sealed with wax Cool )


Nope I agree 100% A good weighty Foil is a good thing. The wax dipped seals are a different class. I feel like I'm in the 1800's with them. Lots of Bourbon Fans get irritated with the Wax Dip. I love it
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is an interesting fact about whisky corks, up until 1913 whisky bottles were sealed with a driven cork, requiring a corkscrew to open them, like wine bottles. William Manera Bergius, nephew of Adam Teacher of William Teacher & Sons invented and patented the replaceable cork in 1913. William Manera Bergius later became the managing director of Teacher's and for decades Teacher's Highland Cream was sold using the marketing slogan "Bury the Corkscrew".

White Horse Distillers introduced the screw cap in 1926, it was originally made of Bakelite and its introduction doubled sales of the brand within 6 months.

There are some excellent quality screw caps around today, but consumers associate a sense of quality with the cork tops in Scotch single malt whisky and for that reason I don't see the Scotch whisky industry switching to screw caps anytime soon.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

William wrote:
Here is an interesting fact about whisky corks, up until 1913 whisky bottles were sealed with a driven cork, requiring a corkscrew to open them, like wine bottles. William Manera Bergius, nephew of Adam Teacher of William Teacher & Sons invented and patented the replaceable cork in 1913. William Manera Bergius later became the managing director of Teacher's and for decades Teacher's Highland Cream was sold using the marketing slogan "Bury the Corkscrew".

White Horse Distillers introduced the screw cap in 1926, it was originally made of Bakelite and its introduction doubled sales of the brand within 6 months.

There are some excellent quality screw caps around today, but consumers associate a sense of quality with the cork tops in Scotch single malt whisky and for that reason I don't see the Scotch whisky industry switching to screw caps anytime soon.


Great post. Thanks William.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/P-29735.aspx

Wonderful looking cork, looks like a bottle from 1880! - Don't know how Piratical it is mind...
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