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TheWM Master Of Malts

Joined: 26 Nov 2012 Posts: 2037 Location: Cheshire
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 8:52 am Post subject: Lidl do it again |
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To be honest after their 40 year old a few years back, their whisky offering hasn't really been up there. But, without much fanfare, I was looking for some tools and came across their spirits (released today). How did I miss this????
34 Year Sherry Cask Finish Blended Scotch Whisky - £49.99 10,000
25 Year Sherry Cask Finish Blended Scotch Whisky - £34.99 24,000 bottles
22 Year Sherry Cask Finish Blended Scotch Whisky - £29.99 24,000 bottles
28 Year Speyside Single Malt Scotch Whisky - £49.99 6,000 bottles
22 Year Islay Single Malt Scotch Whisky - £44.99 6,000 bottles
http://www.lidl.co.uk/en/10980.htm?id=24&ar=1
The blends are rumoured to be by Richard Paterson master blender of White & Mackay and Dalmore and I've even managed to find some tasting notes, which by the sounds of it seem excellent!
scotchwhisky.com/magazine/tastings/new-whiskies/batch-16-lidl-limited-releases/
When you consider a 28 year old speyside from Singleton at 4,000 bottles goes for £250 - this has to be worth a punt.
If I was married, I would be divorced, now I'm off to Lidl, I suggest you do too!!! |
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A15UK Single Malt Member

Joined: 15 Feb 2015 Posts: 26
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 10:31 am Post subject: |
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you would think they would have them out ready on the shelves - not in two stores i went into in north london. especially as the press release says available in ALL stores. there were no members of staff who could assist me, either. as well as limited choice, they do not appear to have any form of customer service.
there was no shelf space in either - they had the usual queen margot, western gold and so on. nothing in their 'weekly special section' either.
if i can be bothered, i will try one of them again after work. |
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TheWM Master Of Malts

Joined: 26 Nov 2012 Posts: 2037 Location: Cheshire
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:16 am Post subject: |
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| I must have been lucky. They have a special display section at mine and had all of them available (admittedly they were still opening boxes). I grabbed one of each. |
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opelfruit Master Of Malts

Joined: 19 Feb 2013 Posts: 1900 Location: Trapped inside this octavarium
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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The problem is were all scrambling about because there is a whisky for a reasonable price with a good age statement on it. It could be from any distillery so it may not be to your palate - I for example, don't like Dalmore, which is where it's probably from.
We look at the age and we look at the price and we think "must buy" - well, must we? But that's because we've been conditioned to think it's a bargain due to the way things are nowadays.... If it's a whisky you don't enjoy then it's not a bargain, it's £50 you would not have otherwise spent - ie £50 wasted
The Islay would interest me more, but at that age and sherried it'll probably be a Bunnahabhain, and you've gotta be careful with older sherried Bunna.
I want to buy them to try them, but I'll get in more trouble than its worth if it do. Not worth it for me to take a punt  _________________ "Too much of anything is bad, but too much good whisky is barely enough." |
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A15UK Single Malt Member

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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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| opelfruit wrote: | The problem is were all scrambling about because there is a whisky for a reasonable price with a good age statement on it. It could be from any distillery so it may not be to your palate - I for example, don't like Dalmore, which is where it's probably from.
We look at the age and we look at the price and we think "must buy" - well, must we? But that's because we've been conditioned to think it's a bargain due to the way things are nowadays.... If it's a whisky you don't enjoy then it's not a bargain, it's £50 you would not have otherwise spent - ie £50 wasted
The Islay would interest me more, but at that age and sherried it'll probably be a Bunnahabhain, and you've gotta be careful with older sherried Bunna.
I want to buy them to try them, but I'll get in more trouble than its worth if it do. Not worth it for me to take a punt  |
i'm only interested in the islay bottling. each release has been reviewed on scotchwhisky.com. it doesn't red as a peated bunnahabhain to me - more a caol ila, or a laphroaig (however unlikely). |
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opelfruit Master Of Malts

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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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Indeed, sounds like a sherried Laphroaig but I can't see how they got some and at that price.... _________________ "Too much of anything is bad, but too much good whisky is barely enough." |
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Diademo Master Of Malts

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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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Distilleries often admit that they dump bad or very weak casks for supermarkets blends.
I'm also the one who is not drinking "rejected"? whisky - life is just too short: |
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TheWM Master Of Malts

Joined: 26 Nov 2012 Posts: 2037 Location: Cheshire
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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| opelfruit wrote: | | Indeed, sounds like a sherried Laphroaig but I can't see how they got some and at that price.... |
It's all about managing relationships. I read somewhere that they were always putting the feelers out and waiting till the right thing came along. Lidl also bought a whole load of Tamnavulin some years back (I'm pretty sure this was confirmed) so I would expect a lot of the blended stuff to contain this, rather than Dalmore - given this is under the Whyte & Mackay stables. |
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A15UK Single Malt Member

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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| opelfruit wrote: | | Indeed, sounds like a sherried Laphroaig but I can't see how they got some and at that price.... |
it could be a 'bad' cask, which laphroaig saw no use in? that could be why the ialay and all other releases are 'finished' in a sherry cask/butt - to 'rejuvinate' the spirit after x years in a dead bourbon barrel.
i still think it could be a caol ila - it can be just as medicinal as laphroaig. |
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TheWM Master Of Malts

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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Diademo wrote: | Distilleries often admit that they dump bad or very weak casks for supermarkets blends.
I'm also the one who is not drinking "rejected"? whisky - life is just too short: |
I get that. However, let's not forget that distilleries often sell their casks to IBs which are often lauded as great numbers and aren't at all rejects.
Judging on the approach of the hard discounters, they pride themselves on quality and price. Ostrich steaks and lobster for example are now commonly found and they can trace their origin to the same places that sell to your Harrods/Fortnum Masons etc... at a fraction of the price.
Let's not forget that the good numbers are actually decent and now have a large following:
https://www.masterofmalt.com/whiskies/glenbridge-40-year-old-aldi-whisky/
This was outstanding and so was the Maxwell 33 released a few years back.
These places are really trying to make big inroads into the premium drinks market and I have to say that the 40 year Armagnac last year - through to the everyday range of gin which are winning blind taste tests are there to win the more discerning drinker over. I'm sure that they don't want to offer up rejected casks and drive away these potential new customers.
But you pays your money and takes your chance. |
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McKay Master Of Malts

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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Got my wife to check a couple of stores looking for the Islay 22 year old single malt, but no luck. |
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A15UK Single Malt Member

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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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| McKay wrote: | | Got my wife to check a couple of stores looking for the Islay 22 year old single malt, but no luck. |
and lidl says it's available from all stores ... right. |
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opelfruit Master Of Malts

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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think they are rejected casks, but they very often come from distilleries with high surplus, and casks that are just filler casks....nothing special but nothing bad.
I'm.not saying there is anything wrong with this range, far from it....They are bargains for what you're getting. All I'm saying is that a bargain is only a bargain if you were going to either buy it, or spend that money anyway. If not, and it's extra then you've not saved £200 on a bottled, you spent an extra £50
......my budget is up this month, and th punt isn't worth the fallout. I'm sure they're good, but I have other stuff I want to buy first. Let me know how they are, so I can be disappointed  _________________ "Too much of anything is bad, but too much good whisky is barely enough." |
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Diademo Master Of Malts

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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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I just don't see that there is surplus of 28-34 years olds cask at any distillery nowadays.
Casks for IB are often bought as new make and IB are putting them in their own casks (they bring them to the distilleries) and casks are matured at their warehouses. Brokers use different approach but they are not selling casks to the supermarket chains.
Of course, all blended whisky for supermarkets is not bad but there is a reason why they are getting them at these prices. Quantities for blends mentioned here are also not so big - decent casks would be sold in short period of time, for significantly higher price. |
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TheWM Master Of Malts

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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with you about 'normal' supermarkets and at these prices I can see why some may think that there's something suspect about them. But I am and have been a long time admirer of the German model. UK supermarkets are having to up their game and heavily discount just to stop the rate of sales drop and achieve parity as they have been used to serving up overpriced dross for a while (with the exception of Waitrose and to a degree Morrisons).
And people are starting to realize that actually 'branded' goods are just that. You pay for the advertising. What's in the tin is actually the same and often better.
I'll crack open some of the blended stuff this week and report back. I'm saving the single malts to compare with some of the stuff I get in Scotland. |
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