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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:22 pm    Post subject: New Macallan Double Cask 12 Year Old Reply with quote

The Macallan 12 Year Old Double Cask is a new interpretation of the signature Macallan 12 Year Old Sherry Oak we already know.




It has been created by bringing new oak from America to Spain, where the oak casks were crafted and Sherry-seasoned before being shipped to the Macallan distillery on Speyside to mature for at least twelve years. The whisky matured in the Sherry-seasoned new American oak casks was then united with whisky aged in Sherry-seasoned European oak casks.

Naturally coloured and bottled at 40% ABV the new whisky will be a permanent part of the Macallan core range.

You can read my review of it here:

http://www.scotchmaltwhisky.co.uk/macallandoublecask12review.htm
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks William - I did notice it on TWE and was surprised I hadn't come across it anywhere until now. I had assumed it was going to be a sherry finish so your description is a pleasant surprise.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like they have returned to the old recipe, age statement and sherry and it has worked, cheers for your thoughts on it William, I will be adding a bottle to my next order.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds interesting, but what does 'Sherry-seasoned' actually mean?

I'm thinking it means that the cask hasn't been used to mature sherry as such but that it has had held sherry for some (presumably only a short period of) time.

How long does sherry need to be matured for? Is it like whisky in that there is a minimum amount of time before it can be called sherry?

I've heard of the practice of pouring sherry down the drain so that the casks can be sold to the whisky industry as they are more valuable than the sherry itself...


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought a bottle two weeks ago when we were in Fife, I think it is a cracking dram and value for money.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers William, great review, I had also got the idea that ithe double cask name possibly meant a sherry cask finish. Clearly not and it sounds very appealing for me, I will certainly have a bottle now..
jwbassman wrote:
Sounds interesting, but what does 'Sherry-seasoned' actually mean?

I'm thinking it means that the cask hasn't been used to mature sherry as such but that it has had held sherry for some (presumably only a short period of) time.

How long does sherry need to be matured for? Is it like whisky in that there is a minimum amount of time before it can be called sherry?

I've heard of the practice of pouring sherry down the drain so that the casks can be sold to the whisky industry as they are more valuavble than the sherry itself...
In accordance with the Regulations of the Denomination of Origin the ageing of sherry wines must last at least two years (three until recently), enough time to allow the wines to develop the distinctive characteristics of each type.

Sherry seasoning is common practice and a practice that has gone on for many years. It is well known that the numbers of sherry casks required by the whisky industry way outnumbers the amount of sherry produced and whisky companies pay the sherry companies to provide them with the type of oak casks they require seasoned with the type of sherry they require.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cuba wrote:
Cheers William, great review, I had also got the idea that ithe double cask name possibly meant a sherry cask finish. Clearly not and it sounds very appealing for me, I will certainly have a bottle now..

jwbassman wrote:
Sounds interesting, but what does 'Sherry-seasoned' actually mean?

I'm thinking it means that the cask hasn't been used to mature sherry as such but that it has had held sherry for some (presumably only a short period of) time.

How long does sherry need to be matured for? Is it like whisky in that there is a minimum amount of time before it can be called sherry?

I've heard of the practice of pouring sherry down the drain so that the casks can be sold to the whisky industry as they are more valuavble than the sherry itself...


In accordance with the Regulations of the Denomination of Origin the ageing of sherry wines must last at least two years (three until recently), enough time to allow the wines to develop the distinctive characteristics of each type.

Sherry seasoning is common practice and a practice that has gone on for many years. It is well known that the numbers of sherry casks required by the whisky industry way outnumbers the amount of sherry produced and whisky companies pay the sherry companies to provide them with the type of oak casks they require seasoned with the type of sherry they require.


Thanks Cuba - I assume that means a seasoned cask will not impart any where near as much flavour as one that has held the sherry for the full 2/3 years - maybe more akin to a second or third fill?

Do you know how long is a cask seasoned for? Guess it would need to be at least a few months for it to take on some of the sherry characteristics.

I find the whole wood management side of things really interesting - I recently did the Bruichladdich MP4 tasting and it was great to be able to compare the different cask matured whisky side-by-side Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way I understand it is when they say seasoned casks they mean sherry has been matured in the cask full term, i.e at least the 2/3 years it takes to become sherry. Sherry seasoned casks is simply a term they use to refer to a cask which has been used to mature sherry and there would be no point in going to the expense and just keeping sherry in the casks for just a few months. I don't think there is any corner cutting or marketing spin here trying to say something is more sherried than it is.

Obviously there will be a difference in sherry casks that have been used to mature sherry multiple times compared to casks that have only been used once to mature sherry but the info here is clear, new American oak casks were used once to mature sherry then shipped to Scotland and filled with Macallan. I think this has been quite creative on Macallans part to give us a new whisky which going by Williams info and review the new whisky has influences from the new American oak, European oak and sherry.

I have ordered a bottle.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds good to me, I will have a bottle.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Mac is Back Very Happy couldn't resist. yep sounds like I will like it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2016 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cuba wrote:
The way I understand it is when they say seasoned casks they mean sherry has been matured in the cask full term, i.e at least the 2/3 years it takes to become sherry. Sherry seasoned casks is simply a term they use to refer to a cask which has been used to mature sherry and there would be no point in going to the expense and just keeping sherry in the casks for just a few months. I don't think there is any corner cutting or marketing spin here trying to say something is more sherried than it is.

Obviously there will be a difference in sherry casks that have been used to mature sherry multiple times compared to casks that have only been used once to mature sherry but the info here is clear, new American oak casks were used once to mature sherry then shipped to Scotland and filled with Macallan. I think this has been quite creative on Macallans part to give us a new whisky which going by Williams info and review the new whisky has influences from the new American oak, European oak and sherry.

I have ordered a bottle.


Thanks for the additional info Cuba Smile

Maybe I should get a bottle to try it, historically I'm not a massive Macallan fan - I've had one or two that really did nothing for me, but I'm open-minded enough to give it another try.

I thought they might have gone for a slightly higher bottling strength though, these days 43% or 46% seems to be more the norm...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for your thoughts William, sounds good, no doubt I will have a few bottles when I can get a hold of them
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have always been a Macallan fan, good to hear that this a decent whisky.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm tempted - very disappointed by all recent NASty releases (including the travel retail range) so this will be worth a go .. 18 in recent years IMHO has recovered some of it's former glory.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drinking the new Macallan Double Cask tonight, it is very good.
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