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DillyT
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:46 pm    Post subject: Limited Edition's Reply with quote

So limited editions and whisky

What can be classed as a limited edition? there does seem to be loads of bottles out there with the label but what doesan?

Like I spotted the new Glen Scotia 11yo Sherry double cask and it states that it is a "Limited Edition" but does it mean 500 bottles, 1000 bottles or 10.000 bottles?

https://www.glenscotia.com/our-malts/sherry-double-cask/

I can not seem to find any more info about this subject or this bottle..
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As an example, it is still stated on the Game of Thrones Diageo bottles. Does anyone remember that series?

LIMITED edition doesnt mean anything if they dont state how many bottles are being released. Its a cheap marketing trick which is just very off putting in many cases. Dont know the specifics of the Glen Scotia though.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I am concerned, anything over 2000 bottles isn’t ‘limited’, even though technically a run limited to 1 million is also ‘limited’.

I’ve seen runs of bottles under 40 but interestingly they don’t seem to attract market attention...
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheWM wrote:
I’ve seen runs of bottles under 40 but interestingly they don’t seem to attract market attention...


With only 40 bottles, finding folk who have actually tasted them is tricky. Even with the bonkers market we're in a clue as to the quality of the dram is still relevant in building interest.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Scotchnthings has nailed it. It's limited if they put a number on the bottle. Even if that number is huge.

I think for a limited edition to 'work' there needs to be enough bottles for it to feel attainable but not so many that it seems common.

Very low runs aren't often seen as that attractive as they seem to be considered one offs. When you think about Single Cask indy bottles are all limited editions in a way and they never command the same collection furor.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the phrase 'limited edition' being thrown about left, right and centre these days, a good indicator of whether or not a bottling is actually limited is the price.

The Glen Scotia is 11 years old, cask strength and cost £60. Compare this to a limited edition, single cask, cask strength Glenallachie whose numbers are stated on the bottle, and you could be paying nearer £100.

And if you look at the prices of the GoT bottles, then it's obvious they definitely aren't limited in number!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GregBurnett wrote:
And if you look at the prices of the GoT bottles, then it's obvious they definitely aren't limited in number!


They are limited in that they are not core and are now no longer being produced. the numbers were very, very big however. Never mind that the majority of the liquid was just rebadged core drams.

I read once that in the US 'small batch' meant any run smaller than your core run. So if you're Jack Daniels and you make a gazillion litres of No.7, then anything less than a gazillion litres qualifies as 'small batch'.

I think 'limited edition' has gone that way for Scotch. Open to broad interpretation.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

was it the macallan edition 5 or the classic cut that was limited to 95.000 bottles?

Gues thats limited in macallans world.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is meaningless these days in most cases as it it is a term used to imply something is special.
It is nothing more than marketing blurb and a much overused phrase. There was a Talisker I believe that was limited to around 20000 bottles, how in any shape or form is that limited when it is so plentiful?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think you can blame whisky for wanting to use the term for marketing. When using 'Limited edition' on chocolate or McDonald's menu items it's pretty clear what it means: it won't be around forever, and should be treated the same.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

davidbe wrote:
I don't think you can blame whisky for wanting to use the term for marketing. When using 'Limited edition' on chocolate or McDonald's menu items it's pretty clear what it means: it won't be around forever, and should be treated the same.


I thinkone of the differences is that with that limited edition tag they start charging silly money for not so special liquid...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotchnthings wrote:
davidbe wrote:
I don't think you can blame whisky for wanting to use the term for marketing. When using 'Limited edition' on chocolate or McDonald's menu items it's pretty clear what it means: it won't be around forever, and should be treated the same.


I thinkone of the differences is that with that limited edition tag they start charging silly money for not so special liquid...



Maybe, but this seems to impact the collectors/flippers more than the drinkers...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2020 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

davidbe wrote:
Scotchnthings wrote:
davidbe wrote:
I don't think you can blame whisky for wanting to use the term for marketing. When using 'Limited edition' on chocolate or McDonald's menu items it's pretty clear what it means: it won't be around forever, and should be treated the same.


I thinkone of the differences is that with that limited edition tag they start charging silly money for not so special liquid...



Maybe, but this seems to impact the collectors/flippers more than the drinkers...


The price impacts collectors more then drinkers? Think it just puts off drinkers...
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